Although I've been doing plot and bash events for many years and had done the HRCR table-tops, I found the first table top totally impossible. There were only two route cards that I felt I understood at all. I just felt I was investing a disproportionate amount of time in what was no longer an enjoyable exercise. I had hoped that my daughter, Heather, would also benefit by learning some new techniques from your TT's but I'm afraid she became quite demoralised as she fared no better than me.
Sorry, I know you've worked hard at this but I shan't bother again.

Stan Appleton

None of [the reasons you suggested]. I just had no time. I think the second round was probably a little too hard, and this may well have put off some people. Maybe better to make the rounds progressive? i.e. easiest first, with a real mind bender at the end? This has a few things going for it - allows novices to gain experience and skill on the early events, doesn't put people off early on.

I certainly have no interest in trophies. I'd certainly be happy to see everything go to charity. As this is a virtual event, how about virtual trophies :-)

April to October works better for Road Rally people, as there are very few over the summer.

"Brilliantly organised event, great clues. I thoroughly enjoyed the rounds I was able to take part in."

One other thought. It's a shame you abandoned the format of the very first ITTR, i.e. weekly RCs with answers having to be in in a week, and results in immediately. I thought this was a brilliant format and great fun. I realise that it's probably very difficult for you, and you'd have to provide some flexibility to allow for holidays etc (e.g. best 8 out of 10 to count?). One of the real problems I have with TTRs in general, is you invest many hours in an event, and then have to wait weeks for the results, by which time you've basically lost interest and forgotten what it was all about.

Jeremy Rodgers

Thanks for the effort in putting the whole thing together. I can't imagine that you have time to do anything else for 3/4 of the year....

The reason I only entered one event was because I got disqualified for getting my answers in 1 hour late to the first event. Having spent many many hours on that event, and as it worked out doing quite well, I was very disappointed to be disqualified for making a mistake on the timing, and then when I got the second event, found it so hard that I gave up.

I managed about 5 or 6 of the stages on the second rally, but was completely lost on the rest. I would much prefer if the plotting was more like an actual navigational rally, with the emphasis on clever routes with parts to catch you out on the plotting, rather than cryptic decoding, which if you crack it is easy to plot, but if you don't crack it is impossible to plot at-all. The road rallying I do with my motor club involves some very complicated decoding of longest routes, with stages that might say something like 'don't cross GL50N, GL40S, 80W and 90E, and take the longest route going through 3 spot heights, past 2 churches, on a maximum of 2 cross-roads etc. etc. to define the correct route. This way, even if you miss a clever short-cut or longest route, you can still enjoy plotting most of the rally, and those that struggle with the plotting (whether through being novices or being slow) still manage most of the route. The overall winner is then decided by who's the best overall plotter as apposed to who's the best code breaker. The one route that I really enjoyed plotting this year was the first stage of the first event (I think), the longest route one, and it shows that simple plotting like this can still cause mistakes as many people dropped points on that stage. Hope some other people agree with this, as I'd really like to do the event again, but I found the second event demoralising, and didn't find the inspiration to do the third or fourth.

Timing of the season no problem.

Look forward to hearing the results of this survey, hope the TT is more like what I'm looking for next year.

Dave Middleditch

As 1 of the 25 who never supplied any answers ... I entered the series as a challenge, as I enjoy puzzles, even tho' I'm hopeless at them... [I also do armchair treasure hunts (search for the golden hare etc type of puzzle) but never get anywhere with them either !!!!....]

I used to enter the 'postal' table-top series but very rarely sent in any answers. Most of the time, I find them too cryptic but keep plugging away at them, long after the closing date. I enter for the challenge of doing them, in my own time.

As a competitor and organiser (used to be deputy CoC on Classic Illuminations Rally, so provided the route instructions for that event), I'm used to conventional instructions [Map Refs, Spot Heights, Herringbones, Tulips, Grid Lines etc], so a lot of Table Tops are too cryptic for me, but I never give up. They have their place in the 'puzzle world.

But maybe, once or twice, how about trying "more road rally type Route Cards" with a timed element, i.e. have x minutes to plot an easier Route Card between 2 controls, the time being that to what would be expected if actually competing on a road rally, the timing starting when that particular route card is opened and stopped when the 'submit' / 'send' button is pressed. e.g. TC 1 to TC 2 go via the following spot heights in order - Time allowed 6 mins. When the online Route Card is opened, the online clock is started and ticks away. The competitor plots the route on his map, and supplies route check answers online, when he's happy he's done it, he presses the 'submit / send ' button, which stops the clock. The route check answers supplied will show whether the correct route has been followed and the timing element provides further penalties ( i.e. don't clock in early etc !!!) Just a thought. Probably provides a more realistic approach to rally navigation.

Philip Senior

Just a few of my thoughts ...

1. I am sure there are potentially a lot more competitors out there. To attract them, the next Championship really needs publicising well in advance. I know the HRCR ran an article in their magazine "OldStager" from which I gather you received some entries. I would again recommend getting an article in "OldStager" but also try using some of the Rally Forums.
They may be able to give the Championship a plug in a newsletter. Also perhaps try writing to the Daily Telegraph. The motoring section on Saturday sometimes has snippets about HRCR activities so they may well accommodate a few paragraphs.

2. To avoid competitors dropping out or not participating after entry.
The people who drop out seem to be mainly the first time competitors. It is important that they know what sort of Table Tops these are and that they are recommended to look at previous route cards and solutions. Although I suppose the danger is these may deter many potential competitors from entering. The events are very demanding on time, especially for a novice. It's also asking a lot of a novice to answer 10 out of 12 Route Cards. It's also the novice who is more likely to give up. As I mentioned in the past, I think their needs to be a Novice class.
You would then have to run two classes, one for Novices and one for All Others, with the Novices only having to answer, say, 5 out of 12 route cards. Each of the Novice answers could be made worth 2 points so that there marks were also out of 100. A person would only be eligible to enter as a Novice if they were a first time entrant or someone who had not completed more that one event on this year's Championship. This would reduce the amount of time Novices would need to spend on each event, enable the less experienced to have their own event within the main event, and prevent them from being discouraged from continuing after one or two rounds.

3. Timing of event.
I don't think this is too much of an issue. Whatever time of the year the event is, one has a month to find the time. The difficult months are, in my opinion be July/August because of summer holidays (although for some this may be an ideal chance to get an event done!) and December because of the run up to Xmas and the New Year. The present arrangement seems to be fine by me. Its quite nice to be sat outside in the garden on a summer's day trying to work out a route card!

4. Cost.
People are very price sensitive. If you are looking for increased competitors I would be very wary about increasing the cost of entry across the board. Past competitors will appreciate what good value the Championship is and would I suspect be willing to pay more, especially if the proceeds are going to charity. Newcomers might be put off by a higher price. My own idea for pricing would be say £12 for a Novice and possibly £20 for All Others. Although I still suspect you would lose a few entrants with this sort of price increase.

5. Difficulty of Route Cards.
I certainly find them challenging and would prefer a few more rather straight forward Route Cards on each event. Also the Route Check questions are sometimes a bit devious! Even when I occasionally get the route right, I fall down on some of the questions! The questions should be to check you have the route right. If you have the correct route but still get a number of questions wrong, then I feel the questions have been a little too tricky! Yes, I know ... that's part of it really :-)

6. Quote.
Cannot think of one at the moment ... apart from the obvious: "Internet Table Top Rallies ... great value, challenging competitions, with just a map, pencil and romer."

Clive Hodgson

Many thanks for yet another very enjoyable event.  I think that the level of difficulty was just right.  I was able to sit at my desk at work most lunchtimes and make good progress.  I found that there were probably about 7 cards that were straight forward and fairly easy to solve.  After some thinking, another two became apparent and into the fourth week I struggled to do the 10th route card.  I looked very hard at 4, 6 and 10 and realised that 6 was probably going to be the easier of them.  I had no idea what they were about at that stage and marked out the limits of the area covered by card 6.  Having got the surrounding route cards correct I could rely on a smallish area and drew in a best guess route and calculated the answers based on this.  I was about to enter these into my computer on the Saturday night, being the last chance I would get to do this, when Card 6 all became clear and very obvious once you have the logic behind it.  I quickly drew in a re-route and recalculated a couple of the answers.  My guess wasn't that far out but would have got 2 wrong answers.

As for the overall championship,  my feelings are the same as above.  Perhaps it could be run in the winter months as sitting looking at maps on the hot summer evenings with a cool beer was not the best way to concentrate.

I would have been happy to pay a little more for entry fee knowing that something would go to a worthy cause.

You must have put in a tremendous amount of time and energy into the organisation of each of the events.  I found that the regulations and route cards were precisely written and caused very few problems and even those were mopped up quickly through the feedback and updates.  The explanations were again very accurate and useful to help understand the logic, which was in turn helpful in later events.

I found that the way to do well was to plot everything you possibly can first.  Some of the easier cards may help to close down parts of the map for the harder routes. Then come back later and check any calculations needed (i.e. temperature conversions) from the route card and check plotting. Finally answer the questions.  Come back another day and recalculate the answers before sending them in.

Looking forward to any future events, perhaps I'll do better in the Cultivator next year if it runs.

Steve Barber

I thoroughly enjoyed the championship - I missed one coz I was on holiday - I sometimes don't get the route at all or maybe I have the solution but cannot put it on the map - so my only suggestion is a help line with penalties but if you have the time - I'll be there again next year - as someone with a drawer full of running medals trophies are a bit old hat - charity is fine by me.

Happy Christmas

Brian Banks

I entered all four events. However, my workload and living conditions caused me to give a weak effort for event 2.

The lack of an entry fee as a foreign competitor is what got me to enter. I would be willing to pay an entry fee in the future but understand the difficulties of currency conversion.

I have never participated in a road rally, so I prefer that the format doesn't lean towards "real" navigators. Maybe that is a hasty thought. I'd still play the game, I would just need to learn a new set of rules.

This [donation to charity] seems like a good idea.

Timing did not have an impact for me (other than my deployment to Iraq which I was unaware of at the time that I entered).

I have no talent for penning quotes. The championship was a fun diversion when I was not busy with work. If you set up another championship for 2004, please email me. I'd send you a check tomorrow if I knew there would be an event. I hope that next time I will be poring over a map in my living room.

Shane Glynn

I would say you have the format about right - personally the only reason I only completed one round is time - I have had a very busy year road rallying once again, plus various other motor sport commitments. I would probably be able to do more if it ran October to April, rather than the other way round and suspect this would be better for many other folk too. Problem then would be a long gap between this year's and the next one - but the intervening months could be useful to try and build up some more interest (see below), plus maybe have one or two 'one off' events to keep the addicts going. 

You needed to get it off the ground once to see, having originally come up with the concept quite a while ago - hopefully this year has been worthwhile from your point of view, despite the amount of work for a dwindling response.

I know how much time Francis Tindall poured into his entries, he deservedly wins an overall award, don't think I could ever put as many hours in as he does!

Perhaps a novice championship would be a good idea to encourage newcomers along? I seem to remember a few comments after the first round about how hard people found it - well, it has to be like that for the top guys and girls, the results from each round show you have pitched it at the right level form them. As ever though, it is difficult to define a 'novice' - have to rely on the honesty of the competitors to state what previous experience they have.

Entry fee - I think you could put this up without putting folk off - think how much we paid for the st valentine's day massacre, I forked out the $57 for that and still never got my answers back to them! Donations to charity are always good but I don't think anyone would question you covering all your expenses and a bit of time, anything left can then go to charity. To be honest it is so long since we paid our entry fees to you, I had forgotten about it! (Paying up front has to be the right way though, wouldn't work event by event as this year shows - the entries have diminished even when we've all paid up already).

Perhaps a bit more external publicity would help, in selected areas, e.g. road rally championships. I mentioned the champ once or twice in my ANCC bulletins and you got a few folk as a result I think - Steve Pashley, Graham Gardner, Paul Taylor and a few others. Scotland and Central Southern tend to have more navigational events too, so they are a potential source of entries. Most clubs have websites too now, I don't reckon they would charge you for putting on an advert or even just a link. Just depends whether you think the time spent would be worth it. Thinking back to when I first did national table tops, when I was at uni in Southampton - I heard about them through Wessex MC, I think they and other university clubs could generate entries - students these days are reported to have lots of free time but no money, after all!!

Hope my thoughts are of use. Apologies for not entering more than the one round, please, please run the champs again next year, I promise to make more of an effort (can't afford to do the same number of road rallies again!!).

Iain Tullie

I'm one of those who just did the first round. My reasons for going no further were primarily to do with lack of time - I simply hadn't appreciated how time-consuming it would be. I also found it rather dispiriting to have some cards which I simply had no idea how to address.

Bernard Northmore

Difficult one this - its hard to try and please all of the people all of the time. 

As someone who was doing his first table tops since the early nineties, when you had to send maps back (Pathfinder etc), I was actually surprised that this series was much more straight forward and consequently easier.  Having said that, it is probably that I was tuned into your wave length and had they been done by someone else the result may have been different. It's a bit like doing crosswords - the rules are the same for all cryptic crosswords, from the clues you have to work out the answer, but some crosswords are relatively easy and others you just can't get going.

It looked that you had got the level of difficulty about right looking at the results of those who returned, but obviously there were a lot who found it beyond them.  Maybe an answer could be to have a Novice section, but not make it necessary to elect to enter one or the other up front. All competitors are in the full competition and have the same route cards made available to them. If at any stage during the competition, a competitor feels that the routes are proving too difficult they could mail Ray for assistance and be sent some comprehensive help by return mail, at which point they would be classified in the Novice section.  This would give competitors a chance to have a good crack at the full event and then gaining help if required and also get away from someone electing to go for the Novices upfront and then finding it too easy.

Trophies are that important to myself, but if some people like them, then perhaps scale it down with just small trophies for the winners (all the same size)

£12 was very reasonable for the series, but it may not seem so to those who didn't return any answers. Perhaps with something like the above Novice section a small increase may not be off putting for them.

I know how much time and effort the organising takes and although we all have our little preferences and dislikes, I can't really fault your efforts and am a bit surprised by the comments on wanting sections more like rallies as a lot of them were tulips, straight lines, vias etc - but just in a different guise. And with 10 from 12 counting, there effectively has to be 3 sections that are that bit more difficult.

Time of year doesn't make too much difference to me.  Winter months probably offer up more time and avoid the majority of holidays - but its nice to sit outside in the sun plotting away !  I think some advertising would be well worth it - I first got into it through seeing a letter you put in Motoring News. I wish you the best for another series and if I haven't 'lost the plot', I'll be there

Peter Smith

I really enjoyed your championship, it kept the brain alive - much needed these days as the job is getting rather boring. I felt that the competition was pitched just right for me and the time I had to spare. I especially liked your updates page that was very helpful if I got stuck!! I did not look at the provisional results often - after struggling for a week and finding that someone has done all 12 routes and has scored 100/100 does not do the morale much good!

The competitions may have been too hard for any first timers and other beginners and this may by why there were few dropouts. I seem to recall that when I first started there were beginners' categories with helpful hits and instructions and once you had conquered this you graduated to the higher classes. Perhaps you should also explain binary, octal and hexadecimal as well! I don't think they even teach this in IT these days - or not so I'd notice!

My main problem was seasonal. Late spring, summer and early autumn are my busiest times on the year, so sometimes it was difficult to get sufficient time. I'd much rather do this kind of thing during the dark nights of winter when there is not much going on.

I was very impressed by the excellent quality of the competition, and appreciate the time and money you must have spent on it. Thanks for hours of brain racking fun!

Mitch Fielding

You may have noted from the last couple of events you've been on that I'm no slouch when it comes to rallying. HOWEVER, when I first gut your route card it was just too damn difficult. Personally I decided to drop out as I felt trying to to understand your logic would be counter productive to my logic mindset for road rallying. Last thing wanted to do was be sitting in a plot and bash thinking "I remember CROW did something like this" when really It's something far more simple.

Unfortunately your assumption about entry fee is wrong. I was quite tempted to ask for my money back as I felt the second one was way above the first in terms of difficulty. As for documentation though you provided answers I was still unable to to any of the rallies, so to my mind that makes the answer material a little lacking.

Finally, this seemed to me like one of the tougher rallies in the year whereby the sole aim of the route organiser is to beat the top crews in a mind game, not to provide an enjoyable event for everyone.

I hope none of the above upsets, that's not the intention, just wanted to give feedback so that you can improve what you obviously enjoy doing.

Eric Richardson

I only did bits of the first 2 events. This was due to constraints on my available time: 1 wife, 4 children, very busy at work & decorating.

The events I did take part in I thoroughly enjoyed & regret not being able to devote more time them.  Next year maybe....

Many thanks for taking the time & effort to organise them. The format was good & I found being able to see how others were progressing both challenging and uplifting. Challenging if someone else had done a section I hadn't and uplifting at the same time because I knew it was 'crackable'.

The cost was fine by me but I would hesitate to pay much more up front for the championship in case I could not take part in at least 2 events. 7 months is a long while. Perhaps £5 for the championship &/or £5 or £10 payable per event? More admin of course. Customer satisfaction verses more demand on your resources.

Whatever, keep it up. I look forward to the next one.

Tim Hare

I really enjoyed trying to solve the Route Cards, but must admit that I found them too difficult. I have been used to local navigation rallying where the route instructions are straight forward yet difficult but not mind boggling.

I attempted the first Championship event but saw from the results I was out of my depth and had no chance of finishing in a respectable place so did not bother entering the rest. I did try to solve the route instructions on the rest of the events but could not figure most of them out.

Your idea of events with road rally type clues seems like a good idea but could I suggest if you want to stick to the original format you could have some type of Class structure, whereby table top novices like myself would get easier clues for the same route as the experts. I know this would be hard to police but with your expertise with organising table top events over the years I am sure you will know most of the people who enter events on a regular basis.. It seems obvious from the results the people figuring in the top ten on each of the events are expert at this type of event as their names keep appearing regularly on previous rallies.

Your idea of running the events during the winter months seems like a good idea and using the entry fee to help charity is also good as trophies usually end up in the roof space.

I realise the amount of work you must put into the Championship and I am sure you were disappointed with response but can assure you that if you decide to run a championship again next year and make the instructions easier I will definitely enter.

Keith Cunningham

Timing of events was fine, but maybe some people found that certain events were difficult to fit in (I had problems with the Breckland for instance, too much to do at the end of the month). Any table top seems to take a lot of time, especially if you can't crack the routecards straightaway. It might be a case that running it across the holiday season has caused people to drop out, hopefully you will get feedback on this. I think it could raise entries if run over the winter.

I did notice that the download routecards were sometimes slightly different to the web page version (possibly revisions not changed everywhere).

I think the idea of having each event on one half of a map only has restricted your options on route planning. The more sections you plot, the less options are available for the sections you have trouble with. I don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing, but I did do one section by finding that I could only go one way for most of the section (others blocked off by route on other sections) and then by counting the number of instructions I had and converting this into the number of junctions passed through.

Sometimes the routecards were very obscure, but in the majority of cases seemed ok for those that have done them before. I would think that for those people not familiar with our type of event, they may expect it to be more problem solving of getting the route on the map rather than working out what the routecard means in the first place. If you can't decipher them, then you may be put off doing the rest of the events. It may be a case of making the sections longer but easier.

The idea of having all the events lumped together worked better than having four individually organised ones (from a championship point of view) and the way to supply answers worked very well. Maybe the idea of showing peoples scores as they arrive (or at least individual section scores) should be dropped as they can be used by other competitors to decide which routecards to drop. You may think you have had no problem on a section, but if you see that loads of people have made mistakes on it, then you may decide to drop that one and go for another.

On the subject of prizes, it might be worth looking at having cash prizes with say a certificate for the winners (or maybe as an option). I think the entry fee should be kept at the same level otherwise it might put people off, especially if they don't know if they will do all the events.

"Thoroughly enjoyed doing the championship events. Got the little grey cells working hard at times. More of the same please."

Thanks for all the hard work you have put in to make this happen.

Mike Biss

Rally Round

I thought it was very good, and I lost 7 of my 12 points because I can't count ETLs and such like.  I got the routes right though! 

I was a bit miffed that there was no leniency for the disused railway problem in Section 11, since I put a note about it on a later answer card when I had read your decision on the 'Update' 2 valuable points there.

Similarly for the ETL in Section 2 that 'the route crosses' Reg 25 

Internet Championship 2003

In general the format is good, but I recall being very nervous using the internet and email for the Five Diamonds, and in fact nearly did not enter at all.  This although I have been using the web for business since 1995.  I was probably put off by the original timed format which was used in a previous summer.

It does seem at times that the finer points of the route which are quite clear to me e.g. Little Chalfont church, and the arrow in Princes Risborough, both in the Cloverleaf are accepted and ignored equally e.g. 6/7.  The Nelly and Pathfinder seemed much more unequivocal in this respect.  I suppose I mean that eyesight counted as much as problem solving.

I MUST END BY SAYING THAT WE ALL ACCEPT THIS WHEN WE ENTER, AND A VERY BIG 'THANKYOU' FOR SETTING AND MARKING THIS SERIES OF TTS.  I ENJOYED THEM IMMENSELY.

Peter Robertson

When this year's TT championship was announced with its format of Internet access I thought it was a great idea as did five other members of my motor club. Unfortunately my fellow club members quickly passed by the way citing lack of time as their excuse, a shame really as we could have had our own little mini club championship. As already stated by a number of other competitors I found the second round very difficult and can understand why many did give up, shame really as round three was OK.  

Overall I liked the format of this year's TT's, they were time consuming to complete and challenging. I much prefer it like this to just bashing a route out using conventional navigational  instructions. A bit like putting together a complicated and detailed model plastic construction kit, it's the pleasure of building it over a long period, bit at a time, that gives the most satisfaction. Sad or what! 

Although I did spend lots of time pouring over the map trying to solve the route it was generally only in short stints as more often than not the solution wasn't on the map but in the route card title. Armed with just a memory of a particular route card and title I would spend any spare time, usually commuting, just mulling it over in my head. The Internet helped on more than one occasion, remember the ANSI questions. I'd heard of ANSI codes but had no idea what they were, a quick search in Google and, hey presto, a list of all the ANSI letter codes, problem solved. 

Of course getting the route right was only half the battle, it was very frustrating to discover you had missed a + or BrO and dropped marks through pure carelessness. After spending ages solving the route the temptation to rush through the questions was too easy, I learned the hard way. By the way did anyone discover if the white is through road at the church in 9897, round 2 route card 10?

I was happy with all aspects of the championship, if someone's prepared to put one together, particularly of this quality, I will have a go no matter what the format. I would happily pay more, £20 wouldn't be out of order. If the proceeds were to go to charity it would solve overseas entry fees as they could send the equivalent currency to a local charity of their choice. Although receiving a trophy is very nice (mine looks great!) a virtual award, as already suggested, is a brilliant idea. A certificate could be emailed to winners and indeed everyone could receive some sort of 'taking part' award, I really must be sad!

Timing of the event is a difficult one as I'm sure everyone will have a different opinion. My preference would be over the winter months with perhaps a break in December.

Thank you for organising the championship, I did enjoy the challenge.

Francis Tindall

Feedback???? Humm.... Well, where to start - what to say........

First a big thank you for putting the championship on. I cannot imagine the amount of work involved in running four events and a championship.

Secondly I apologise for not supplying any answers to the last round but a two week family holiday and a weeks visit to the Rally Catalunya with the local motor club took up most of the time the event was running. Anyway on to my comments - I think the entry fee was about right and I think a large increase would put people off. I wouldn't have thought awards mattered that much to the people that do this sort of thing, so cutting down on awards should be acceptable.

Maybe timing the championship from October to April would be a better option with more free time on the long dark winter nights - but that would mean a long brake to the next one!

Yes, the web documentation was up to scratch (once this internet novice got up to speed with the downloading).

Route cards, WOW. Yes they were hard, but once you cracked the code they became plottable. Your results speak for themselves very close at the top, but always a result. I don't know what to say on this as the idea as I see it is to stretch yourself mentally. The problem is getting a result for the experts without disillusioning the beginners. What about trying  two or three  very easy, obvious, route cards on every event to give the beginner the boost of getting something on the map and only allow people who have never entered before to score on these route cards. 

Finally what can I say, I thoroughly enjoyed taking part (but maybe not at the time!) and can't wait for the next one...... I must be mad......

Steve Pashley

As a newcomer and one who did not send in an entry, my thoughts -

1. Money is not the problem, for the obvious amount of work you must put in it is fantastic value for money.

2. I think there is no need for a trophy, the kudos should be enough.

3. I found most of the route cards very difficult but was 'learning towards the end, and only time constraints prevented me making a proper attempt.

4. For me winter time would be better - no 'proper rallies', no gardening to do, quieter at work ....

5. I think you need to include some 'classical' road rally sections and some easier ones to encourage newcomers and those who do not understand your devious mind, with 1 or 2 stinker sections to sort the men from the boys.

Despite not putting in my entry I did enjoy the challenge. Please keep up the great work.

Here's to more success, and time, in 2004.

Peter Booth