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| Correct Answer | | | | | | | 7 8
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| 2 3
| 4 6 8
| 9,7,3,3,5 9,3,7,3,5 9,7,3,5,3 9,3,7,5,3 6,9,7,3,5,3 6,9,7,3,3,5
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| 21 22 23 24
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| Y Yes yes YES
| | 2 | Mike Burrows | X | 8 | 0 | 0 | 34 | 27 | 7 | 1 | 3 | 4 | 9,7,3,5,3 | 7 | 2 | 21 | 6 | N | Q5 ans includes 1 T by PH in GS5140 W of railway just off route | 3 | Ian Canavan | X | 7 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 59 | 7 | 1 | 3 | 3 | 9,7,3,5,3 | 9 | 4 | 21 | 4 | 1 | Wow!
Even Wower! | 6 | Mark Dunkerley | X | 5 | 0 | 0 | 35 | 3 | 7 | 1 | 3 | 5 | 9,7,3,5,3 | 9 | 2 | 16 | 4 | N | Dubious T for Q4 in 5140
Dubious Bridge in 5443 for Q6
Dubious WWW under the 3 in 6037 | 13 | Glynn Hayward | X | 9 | 0 | 0 | 47 | 50 | 7 | 1 | 3 | 3 | 9,7,3,5,3 | 9 | 3 | 22 | 6 | Y | | 14 | Clive Hodgson | X | 7 | 0 | 1 | 23 | 20 | 7 | 1 | 3 | 3 | 9,7,3,5,3 | 9 | 1 | 14 | 6 | Y | Answwer to RC4 assumes T in GS5140 is < 200m from route.
Answer to RC4 assumes T in GS5140 is < 200m from route.
Answer to RC4 assumes T in GS5140 is < 200m from route. | 17 | Richard Scott | X | 6 | 0 | 6 | 45 | 25 | 7 | 1 | 3 | 3 | 9,3,7,5,3 | 6 | 4 | 19 | 4 | n | It is difficult to know if a line across a white is a gate (ie open) or the end of a road! When in towns lines across a road are not gates, and are therefore NTR??? Also areas like Beacon Fell have very unclear road edge markings! | 18 | Phil Robbins | X | 8 | 0 | 2 | 10 | 54 | 7 | 1 | 3 | 6 | 6144 | 8 | 3 | 21 | 6 | Y | | 19 | David Killeen | X | 7 | 0 | 1 | 37 | 5 | 7 | 1 | 3 | 4 | 9,7,3,5,3 | 8 | 1 | 16 | 6 | Y | Interesting.....
oops..... | 21 | Pip Secker | X | 3 | 0 | 0 | 45 | 14 | 9 | 1 | 3 | 6 | 69 | 4 | 1 | 7 | 4 | N | | 22 | Chris Bean | X | 9 | 0 | 1 | 32 | 6 | 7 | 1 | 3 | 4 | 9,7,3,5,3 | 10 | 1 | 21 | 6 | Y | | 23 | Ron Bateman | X | 5 | 0 | 1 | 40 | 43 | 8 | 1 | 0 | 4 | 5 | 5 | 2 | 13 | 8 | Y | | 24 | Alan Large | X | 5 | 0 | 2 | 38 | 7 | 8 | 2 | 1 | 8 | 6,9,3,5 | 6 | 3 | 17 | 6 | N | | 25 | Gillian Goodlass | X | 8 | 0 | 3 | 39 | 5 | 7 | 1 | 3 | 4 | 9,3,5,3 | 9 | 4 | 26 | 6 | Y |
Q5 answer assumes that the white in the vicinity of Wolfen Hall goes
Also lots of issues about whether whites 'go' in general area of Longridge and Brock Cott Farm - a very 'messy' route card.
Otherwise enjoyed the crimbo relief - thanks for organising | 27 | Keith Cunningham | X | 4 | 0 | 2 | 19 | 37 | 7 | 3 | 1 | 3 | 9,7,3 | 5 | 3 | 15 | 6 | N | included o>W @ B on B6243 | 28 | Dee Rampling Lee | X | 7 | 0 | 1 | 46 | 21 | 7 | 1 | 3 | 6 | 6,9,7,3,5,3 | 10 | 2 | 20 | 6 | N |
Long e mail to arrive with listing. | 29 | Phillip King | X | 7 | 0 | 1 | 13 | 46 | 7 | 1 | 3 | 3 | 9,7,3,5,3 | 8 | 3 | 22 | 6 | N |
I felt good about this one | 30 | Alex Hoult | X | 10 | 0 | 1 | 48 | 19 | 7 | 1 | 3 | 4 | 9,7,3,5,3 | 9 | 3 | 23 | 6 | Y | Tricky! | 31 | Alan Whitney | X | 5 | 11 | 19 | 49 | 8 | 6 | 1 | 3 | 5 | 6144 | 6 | 2 | 22 | 6 | n | | 32 | Robert Owen | X | 8 | 0 | 9 | 28 | 42 | 7 | 1 | 3 | 5 | 9,7,3,5,3 | 10 | 3 | 24 | 5 | Y | Q6: Bro at Fairclough Fm has been counted. 3 M6 crossings all taken as Bro's (always tricky to tell if the end of cutting constitutes a bridge symbol). BrO in BBrockmill counted.
Q7: O>W north of 'B'(B6243) in GS6137 counted. I reckon there's a white running parallel to the orange. | 33 | Steve Turnbull | X | 7 | 0 | 1 | 4 | 47 | 6 | 1 | 4 | 6 | 9,5,3 | 6 | 3 | 23 | 6 | Y | | 36 | Chris Towers | X | 5 | 0 | 5 | 53 | 11 | 7 | 1 | 4 | 8 | 6144 | 4 | 3 | 25 | 4 | Y | Probably got more chance of winning the lottery than getting this right!
What did I tell you? | 41 | David Smoley | X | 4 | 0 | 0 | 44 | 42 | 8 | 2 | 1 | 5 | 9,7,3 | 7 | 2 | 15 | 6 | Y | | 42 | Mike Biss | X | 10 | 1 | 4 | 28 | 28 | 7 | 1 | 3 | 4 | 9,7,3,5,3 | 9 | 3 | 23 | 6 | Y | Whites at 515378.5, 528384 and 515397.5 were giving me the problem in that they are all east of the railway but I can't use them all. I have ignored the first one and gone via the other two in that order, so that I come back via WSW516407.5ENE.
Q4) The telephone in 5140 is taken as within 200m.
Q6) Taken as bridge at 549431.
Q8) White at 606.5378 taken as goer.
Loop around building at 607.5378.5 - can't see which is shorter as they look the same. Have gone bottom route which includes a WWW junction. Top route does not.
Ignored WWWW junction in calculation.
Road from 600.5369 to 600371 taken as continuous with two gates, which gives a WWW junction. | 43 | Francis Tindall | X | 10 | 0 | 8 | 48 | 50 | 8 | 1 | 2 | 6 | 9,7,3,3,5 | 6 | 3 | 24 | 6 | Y | RC8 possible additional 2WWW in GS5242? | 45 | Geoff Masterman | X | 6 | 0 | 2 | 29 | 50 | 7 | 1 | 3 | 4 | 97353 | 10 | 2 | 19 | 7 | Y | | 46 | Alan Crabtree | X | 9 | 0 | 3 | 9 | 36 | 7 | 1 | 3 | 4 | 9,7,3,5,3 | 9 | 4 | 20 | 6 | Y | Well frankly I’m not surprised at scoring only 4 for RouteCard 8. For such a complex route, the difficulty level of the rc’s was far too great.
There is an ambiguity, too, in that the area around Longridge can be travelled either clockwise or anticlockwise, and the answers to both rc5 and rc7 are both affected by the decision made on the direction of travel.
There is also the question of whether or not there is a road between GR607379 and GR605377. The spaces between the dashes seem greater than other partially unfenced roads on the map, but the answer seems very much a matter of opinion – and we competitors are unaware of how you see it until after the competition. The decision made affects the route taken around the Whites in the Longridge area, and hence the answer to rc8, and possibly rc7.
The route definition, too, does not make it clear what takes priority in the event of a clash – shortest Coloured or longest White. Your answer to Mike Biss’s question in the Forum led me to believe that priority should be given to longest White, and this was the decision I took around Longridge in particular and also at other places. This again affects the answers to rc7 and rc8.
Added to all this is the fact that there with so many WWW’s to count, the chances of error are dramatically increased – if 21 is correct then 20 and 22 both score a big fat zero.
I can only hope that if and when you reassess the marking in response to competitors’ comments, you will exercise leniency – and I imagine that most other competitors will agree, judging by the marks that most are getting. My 4 is currently the fourth highest mark from 28 entries, only bettered by David Bell’s 9 and a 6 and a 5 from Steve Turnbull and Phil Robbins!!
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Then to compound matters, I spent ages making all these points on the official form, and when I clicked on the Submit button, I got an Error Screen back informing me that I was not connected to the tt website (even though I clearly had been when I submitted the answer form only a short time before). By this time I had lost the form, and all my typing, and there was no way to retrieve it, so I have had to resort to email to make my points. Can you please add them into the comments area on RC8 from your end?
| 65 | Brian Johnson | X | 3 | 7 | 5 | 56 | 35 | 7 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 6044 | 8 | 2 | 16 | 4 | no | | 67 | Martin Moore | X | 7 | 0 | 0 | 23 | 54 | 7 | 1 | 3 | 4 | 6,9,7,3 | 6 | 2 | 23 | 6 | N | | 70 | Arwel Jones | X | 3 | 2 | 23 | 35 | 58 | 7 | 0 | 4 | 4 | 9,3,5,3 | 8 | 3 | 18 | 4 | N | | 75 | Thomas Campbell | X | 6 | 0 | 2 | 6 | 9 | 7 | 1 | 5 | 4 | 57,58,59,44,60,44,44,61,62,44,62 | 10 | 2 | 20 | 6 | Y | | 77 | Jon Lunn | X | 4 | 0 | 2 | 58 | 49 | 7 | 1 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 9,7,3,5,3 | 2 | 22 | 4 | Replace with Answer 10 | | 80 | Anthony Davies | X | 8 | 0 | 1 | 41 | 18 | 7 | 1 | 3 | 3 | 9,7,3,5,3 | 10 | 3 | 22 | 6 | no | all of these answers are considering the white in GS 5741 to (hopefully)be a NTR. | 81 | Tim Hare | X | 7 | 0 | 1 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 1 | 2 | 6 | 4044 | 7 | 3 | 18 | 6 | Y | | 82 | Andrew Kellitt | X | 6 | 0 | 17 | 8 | 48 | 6 | 1 | 3 | 4 | 9.3,3,5,3 | 8 | 4 | 23 | 6 | N | | 84 | Mick Wicks | X | 6 | 0 | 15 | 18 | 34 | 6 | 1 | 3 | 3 | 5,3,9,3 | 7 | 3 | 22 | 6 | 0 | Something went wrong Route Card 1 - Seemed to submit without entering answers 1)2 2)S,N,B 3)1 4)1 5)3 6)3 7)136 8)4 9) 7362 10) 8160 - Not too good with computers !
| 85 | Kevin Nugent | X | 3 | 0 | 0 | 37 | 15 | 5 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 9,7,3,3,5 | 3 | 1 | 15 | 4 | Replace with Answer 10 | | 86 | Iain Tullie | X | 9 | 0 | 1 | 51 | 56 | 8 | 1 | 2 | 6 | 9,7,3,3,5 | 6 | 3 | 23 | 6 | N | A few comments to follow...
Phew!
Firstly, rule 1 ("Use every...") - I took this to mean you could not use the w over the LC in 5140, because there are no other useable whites West of the rwy.
RC8 could also be 24 - the route through the white 'maze' in 6037 includes either 10 or 11 www's, neither route is longer than the other as they are both two sides of a square.
On a couple of occasions in Longridge, I found that applying rule 2 ("As soon as..."), made me break rule 1. In other words, I could use more whites by leaving a complex and then coming back into it again elsewhere. | 88 | Tony Field | X | 0 | 3 | 20 | 46 | 25 | | | | | | | | | | | | 94 | John Stringer | X | 2 | 0 | 0 | 38 | 6 | 7 | 2 | 0 | 5 | 973 | 8 | 2 | 18 | 8 | Y | | 99 | Paul Taylor | X | 6 | 0 | 1 | 57 | 49 | 7 | 1 | 3 | 3 | 953 | 9 | 2 | 22 | 6 | no | | 107 | Peter Johnstone | X | 4 | 1 | 0 | 17 | 12 | 6 | 1 | 2 | 7 | 9,7,3 | 3 | 4 | 13 | 2 | YES | | 108 | John Elkin | X | 2 | 0 | 0 | 48 | 34 | 4 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 9 | 2 | 1 | 12 | 2 | N | | 111 | Peter Robertson | X | 10 | 0 | 1 | 39 | 1 | 7 | 1 | 3 | 6 | 6,9,7,3,5,3 | 10 | 3 | 23 | 6 | Yes | | 113 | Steve Barber | X | 10 | 0 | 2 | 5 | 0 | 8 | 1 | 2 | 6 | 9,7,3,3,5 | 6 | 3 | 23 | 6 | Y | Phew, that was a tough one. Not sure about the number of WWWs depends on which way round white squares are taken. Maybe one or two fewer so RC8 could be 22 or 21. Bridge symbols counted but there looks like there should be bridges in other places on the map over wide rivers. Oh well, on to the next one! | 117 | Timothy Purvey | X | 3 | 1 | 4 | 48 | 1 | 8 | 1 | 4 | 6 | 935 | 3 | 1 | 4 | 4 | 2 | | 121 | Jonathan Forrest | X | 2 | 0 | 0 | 34 | 43 | 6 | 2 | 6 | 7 | 62,39,42,57,54 | 4 | 3 | 78 | 4 | Y | | 122 | Hannah Cessford | X | 7 | 0 | 21 | 35 | 36 | 7 | 1 | 3 | 4 | 9,7,3,5,3 | 9 | 2 | 57 | 6 | n | | 129 | Roger Sanderson | X | 3 | 0 | 4 | 39 | 49 | 8 | 1 | 2 | 5 | 9,7,3,5,3,5 | 4 | 1 | 17 | 4 | N | | 132 | Jonathan Sargeant | X | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | Replace with Answer 1 | Replace with Answer 2 | Replace with Answer 3 | Replace with Answer 4 | Replace with Answer 5 | Replace with Answer 6 | Replace with Answer 7 | Replace with Answer 8 | Replace with Answer 9 | Replace with Answer 10 |
| 133 | Ken Larking | X | 3 | 0 | 1 | 41 | 4 | 7 | 1 | 3 | 5 | 9735 | 4 | 1 | 20 | 4 | N | Question: Does 'use every available white' mean use the entire length of the road or does use of one portion of it count as 'use'?
The instruction 'travel as far as possible in a white road complex before rejoining a coloured road seems to preclude the use of some white roads in Longridge and perhaps also elsewhere. 'Use every available white east of railway' and travel as far as possible on whites in a complex' seem to me to be contadictory.
How is it possible to use the 596402ENE white AND the 597398ESE white? (The answer to my first question might have a bearing here) | 135 | David Bell | X | 9 | 0 | 2 | 40 | 2 | 8 | 1 | 2 | 5 | 9,7,3,3,5 | 6 | 3 | 24 | 6 | Y | Good luck trying to mark this one!
Can't see any way of using the M6 which excludes the white loop in GS 5144
Longridge - can't measure any coloured road difference between clockwise or anticlockwise although it does affect a couple of answers - answers are based on clockwise - anti-clockwise would give RC5 - 9,3,7,3,5 and RC7 - 4
I assume that the overriding requirement is max white usage so I can't see any way of using the Hospital loop and in my opinion the red dashes in 405377 ish is NOT a white road which rules out the loop to the south of the red dashes
Here goes - see what happens when I press submit! | 137 | David Leavy | X | 6 | 0 | 0 | 56 | 36 | 5 | 1 | 2 | 6 | 6,9,7,3,3,5 | 3 | 3 | 21 | 2 | 0 |
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