Crimbo Relief Rally 2008
Route Card 8 Answers
Crimbo Relief Rally 2008 Route Cards & Solutions
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Correct answers in black. Incorrect answers in red.
 
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2Mike BurrowsX8003427 7 1 3 4 9,7,3,5,3 7 2 21 6 N Q5 ans includes 1 T by PH in GS5140 W of railway just off route
3Ian CanavanX702259 7 1 3 3 9,7,3,5,3 9 4 21 4 1 Wow! Even Wower!
6Mark DunkerleyX500353 7 1 3 5 9,7,3,5,3 9 2 16 4 N Dubious T for Q4 in 5140 Dubious Bridge in 5443 for Q6 Dubious WWW under the 3 in 6037
13Glynn HaywardX9004750 7 1 3 3 9,7,3,5,3 9 3 22 6 Y 
14Clive HodgsonX7012320 7 1 3 3 9,7,3,5,3 9 1 14 6 Y Answwer to RC4 assumes T in GS5140 is < 200m from route. Answer to RC4 assumes T in GS5140 is < 200m from route. Answer to RC4 assumes T in GS5140 is < 200m from route.
17Richard ScottX6064525 7 1 3 3 9,3,7,5,3 6 4 19 4 n It is difficult to know if a line across a white is a gate (ie open) or the end of a road! When in towns lines across a road are not gates, and are therefore NTR??? Also areas like Beacon Fell have very unclear road edge markings!
18Phil RobbinsX8021054 7 1 3 6 6144 8 3 21 6 Y 
19David KilleenX701375 7 1 3 4 9,7,3,5,3 8 1 16 6 Y Interesting..... oops.....
21Pip SeckerX3004514 9 1 3 6 69 4 1 7 4 N 
22Chris BeanX901326 7 1 3 4 9,7,3,5,3 10 1 21 6 Y 
23Ron BatemanX5014043 8 1 0 4 5 5 2 13 8 Y 
24Alan LargeX502387 8 2 1 8 6,9,3,5 6 3 17 6 N 
25Gillian GoodlassX803395 7 1 3 4 9,3,5,3 9 4 26 6 Y  Q5 answer assumes that the white in the vicinity of Wolfen Hall goes Also lots of issues about whether whites 'go' in general area of Longridge and Brock Cott Farm - a very 'messy' route card. Otherwise enjoyed the crimbo relief - thanks for organising
27Keith CunninghamX4021937 7 3 1 3 9,7,3 5 3 15 6 N included o>W @ B on B6243
28Dee Rampling LeeX7014621 7 1 3 6 6,9,7,3,5,3 10 2 20 6 N  Long e mail to arrive with listing.
29Phillip KingX7011346 7 1 3 3 9,7,3,5,3 8 3 22 6 N  I felt good about this one
30Alex HoultX10014819 7 1 3 4 9,7,3,5,3 9 3 23 6 Y Tricky!
31Alan WhitneyX51119498 6 1 3 5 6144 6 2 22 6 n 
32Robert OwenX8092842 7 1 3 5 9,7,3,5,3 10 3 24 5 Y Q6: Bro at Fairclough Fm has been counted. 3 M6 crossings all taken as Bro's (always tricky to tell if the end of cutting constitutes a bridge symbol). BrO in BBrockmill counted. Q7: O>W north of 'B'(B6243) in GS6137 counted. I reckon there's a white running parallel to the orange.
33Steve TurnbullX701447 6 1 4 6 9,5,3 6 3 23 6 Y 
36Chris TowersX5055311 7 1 4 8 6144 4 3 25 4 Y Probably got more chance of winning the lottery than getting this right! What did I tell you?
41David SmoleyX4004442 8 2 1 5 9,7,3 7 2 15 6 Y 
42Mike BissX10142828 7 1 3 4 9,7,3,5,3 9 3 23 6 Y Whites at 515378.5, 528384 and 515397.5 were giving me the problem in that they are all east of the railway but I can't use them all. I have ignored the first one and gone via the other two in that order, so that I come back via WSW516407.5ENE. Q4) The telephone in 5140 is taken as within 200m. Q6) Taken as bridge at 549431. Q8) White at 606.5378 taken as goer. Loop around building at 607.5378.5 - can't see which is shorter as they look the same. Have gone bottom route which includes a WWW junction. Top route does not. Ignored WWWW junction in calculation. Road from 600.5369 to 600371 taken as continuous with two gates, which gives a WWW junction.
43Francis TindallX10084850 8 1 2 6 9,7,3,3,5 6 3 24 6 Y RC8 possible additional 2WWW in GS5242?
45Geoff MastermanX6022950 7 1 3 4 97353 10 2 19 7 Y 
46Alan CrabtreeX903936 7 1 3 4 9,7,3,5,3 9 4 20 6 Y Well frankly I’m not surprised at scoring only 4 for RouteCard 8. For such a complex route, the difficulty level of the rc’s was far too great. There is an ambiguity, too, in that the area around Longridge can be travelled either clockwise or anticlockwise, and the answers to both rc5 and rc7 are both affected by the decision made on the direction of travel. There is also the question of whether or not there is a road between GR607379 and GR605377. The spaces between the dashes seem greater than other partially unfenced roads on the map, but the answer seems very much a matter of opinion – and we competitors are unaware of how you see it until after the competition. The decision made affects the route taken around the Whites in the Longridge area, and hence the answer to rc8, and possibly rc7. The route definition, too, does not make it clear what takes priority in the event of a clash – shortest Coloured or longest White. Your answer to Mike Biss’s question in the Forum led me to believe that priority should be given to longest White, and this was the decision I took around Longridge in particular and also at other places. This again affects the answers to rc7 and rc8. Added to all this is the fact that there with so many WWW’s to count, the chances of error are dramatically increased – if 21 is correct then 20 and 22 both score a big fat zero. I can only hope that if and when you reassess the marking in response to competitors’ comments, you will exercise leniency – and I imagine that most other competitors will agree, judging by the marks that most are getting. My 4 is currently the fourth highest mark from 28 entries, only bettered by David Bell’s 9 and a 6 and a 5 from Steve Turnbull and Phil Robbins!! ********************* Then to compound matters, I spent ages making all these points on the official form, and when I clicked on the Submit button, I got an Error Screen back informing me that I was not connected to the tt website (even though I clearly had been when I submitted the answer form only a short time before). By this time I had lost the form, and all my typing, and there was no way to retrieve it, so I have had to resort to email to make my points. Can you please add them into the comments area on RC8 from your end?
65Brian JohnsonX3755635 7 2 3 4 6044 8 2 16 4 no 
67Martin MooreX7002354 7 1 3 4 6,9,7,3 6 2 23 6 N 
70Arwel JonesX32233558 7 0 4 4 9,3,5,3 8 3 18 4 N 
75Thomas CampbellX60269 7 1 5 4 57,58,59,44,60,44,44,61,62,44,62 10 2 20 6 Y 
77Jon LunnX4025849 7 1 3 3 3 9,7,3,5,3 2 22 4 Replace with Answer 10 
80Anthony DaviesX8014118 7 1 3 3 9,7,3,5,3 10 3 22 6 no all of these answers are considering the white in GS 5741 to (hopefully)be a NTR.
81Tim HareX70145 6 1 2 6 4044 7 3 18 6 Y 
82Andrew KellittX6017848 6 1 3 4 9.3,3,5,3 8 4 23 6 N 
84Mick WicksX60151834 6 1 3 3 5,3,9,3 7 3 22 6 0 Something went wrong Route Card 1 - Seemed to submit without entering answers 1)2 2)S,N,B 3)1 4)1 5)3 6)3 7)136 8)4 9) 7362 10) 8160 - Not too good with computers !
85Kevin NugentX3003715 5 1 2 3 9,7,3,3,5 3 1 15 4 Replace with Answer 10 
86Iain TullieX9015156 8 1 2 6 9,7,3,3,5 6 3 23 6 N A few comments to follow... Phew! Firstly, rule 1 ("Use every...") - I took this to mean you could not use the w over the LC in 5140, because there are no other useable whites West of the rwy. RC8 could also be 24 - the route through the white 'maze' in 6037 includes either 10 or 11 www's, neither route is longer than the other as they are both two sides of a square. On a couple of occasions in Longridge, I found that applying rule 2 ("As soon as..."), made me break rule 1. In other words, I could use more whites by leaving a complex and then coming back into it again elsewhere.
88Tony FieldX03204625           
94John StringerX200386 7 2 0 5 973 8 2 18 8 Y 
99Paul TaylorX6015749 7 1 3 3 953 9 2 22 6 no 
107Peter JohnstoneX4101712 6 1 2 7 9,7,3 3 4 13 2 YES 
108John ElkinX2004834 4 1 2 2 9 2 1 12 2 N 
111Peter RobertsonX1001391 7 1 3 6 6,9,7,3,5,3 10 3 23 6 Yes 
113Steve BarberX100250 8 1 2 6 9,7,3,3,5 6 3 23 6 Y Phew, that was a tough one. Not sure about the number of WWWs depends on which way round white squares are taken. Maybe one or two fewer so RC8 could be 22 or 21. Bridge symbols counted but there looks like there should be bridges in other places on the map over wide rivers. Oh well, on to the next one!
117Timothy PurveyX314481 8 1 4 6 935 3 1 4 4 2 
121Jonathan ForrestX2003443 6 2 6 7 62,39,42,57,54 4 3 78 4 Y 
122Hannah CessfordX70213536 7 1 3 4 9,7,3,5,3 9 2 57 6 n 
129Roger SandersonX3043949 8 1 2 5 9,7,3,5,3,5 4 1 17 4 N 
132Jonathan SargeantX00001 Replace with Answer 1 Replace with Answer 2 Replace with Answer 3 Replace with Answer 4 Replace with Answer 5 Replace with Answer 6 Replace with Answer 7 Replace with Answer 8 Replace with Answer 9 Replace with Answer 10 
133Ken LarkingX301414 7 1 3 5 9735 4 1 20 4 N Question: Does 'use every available white' mean use the entire length of the road or does use of one portion of it count as 'use'? The instruction 'travel as far as possible in a white road complex before rejoining a coloured road seems to preclude the use of some white roads in Longridge and perhaps also elsewhere. 'Use every available white east of railway' and travel as far as possible on whites in a complex' seem to me to be contadictory. How is it possible to use the 596402ENE white AND the 597398ESE white? (The answer to my first question might have a bearing here)
135David BellX902402 8 1 2 5 9,7,3,3,5 6 3 24 6 Y Good luck trying to mark this one! Can't see any way of using the M6 which excludes the white loop in GS 5144 Longridge - can't measure any coloured road difference between clockwise or anticlockwise although it does affect a couple of answers - answers are based on clockwise - anti-clockwise would give RC5 - 9,3,7,3,5 and RC7 - 4 I assume that the overriding requirement is max white usage so I can't see any way of using the Hospital loop and in my opinion the red dashes in 405377 ish is NOT a white road which rules out the loop to the south of the red dashes Here goes - see what happens when I press submit!
137David LeavyX6005636 5 1 2 6 6,9,7,3,3,5 3 3 21 2 0