Internet Table-Top Rally Championship 1998
Route Card 5 - Competitors' Comments

I've included nearly all your comments this time because it may be useful seeing how other competitors' minds work. "Crow"

I assume RC1 includes the finish junction. SH 129 in 2408 doesn't have a spot that I can see [It's there, but off-route]. I assume you only count Fords where they are actually written on the map, not roads going through water. I treated the junction by the church in 2702 as two junctions - YYY then YYW rather than YYYW but it is jolly close! Good card - lots of potential for silly mistakes and shortest route mistakes![Nice One, 10/10] Mark Goodman

And they are getting harder? [Yes] Much wandering down blind alleys with this one. Keep it up this is great fun. Brian Banks

The answer to Route Check 10 reflects the fact that I used my mobile phone. Unless you're the fourth emergency service (or some similar organisation) I didn't get within arms length of a telephone I could use, even though the route I took plotted perfectly well. Clutching at straws or what? Tony Hesp

Very good routecard, enjoyed plotting it. Mike Biss

I consider that there are 2 junctions in GS2702 (by the church) and not just one - hence my answer to question 5. If you consider these junctions as one crossroads my answer would be 8. The only telephone on my route is a blue one in GS1904, which cannot be used by the general public. [Clean Sheet] Ted Manktelow

RC10 - wondered if this was a catch question as, being a non AA/RAC member, I wouldn't have been able to get into the box, and even then would not have been able to get a private number. But it is the only phone on my route! Don Clarke

Guess my plotting could go downhill now (with triple arrows!) especially if we've tulips and herringbones on the horizon! Carol Moulton

There is a 'motoring organisation'  telephone in GS 1904, but I've just rung the AA who tell me their  phones are direct to the AA, so assume it could not be used to ring you personally. Gillian Goodlass

I'm not too sure exactly where the spot is for SH 104 in GS 2906. There appears to be a black spot at the white/yellow junction but then there also appears to be a circle next to the figure 4 on the yellow which is not on the route (if my plotting is right) I have assumed 104 is not on the route [104 was counted as on-route, but your observation earned you the point] so suggest answer to 1 is 8 and not 9. Dave Keetley

a) 11 spotheights includes the one at TC6(in) [too many] b) 3 Fords because there are 2 at once in GS2602 [I'll allow that] c) The phone does not appear to be actually on route, but the one in 2408 is closest. (unless you work for the AA / RAC - in which case the answer would be 1904!) d) I have taken the junction at 276.5 029.5 to be a cross-roads. Ian Buxton

Should there be an extra YY or WY after first Y? [Arguably, yes. See solution] Colin Hensman

Good fun that one. Keep up the good work! I like the idea of the Wednesday/Thursday publication btw.
Sorry to qualify the answers again, but I believe there are a couple of ambiguities (having not done one of these events before, I don't know what some of the conventions are - on a road rally, we would probably drive around a bit to check for code boards given this nav...): [You can do the same here, but the tyre marks muck up the map a bit]
1) I've not included the spot height at the end, on the basis that it's in the centre of the junction. Since we don't know where we're going next, I assume the end of the stage is the entry to the junction.
2) There are 2 junctions which are arguably staggered, both in Membury (2702/2703 should be obvious). I have taken the decision that both these are staggered and therefore count as 2 junctions each. If this is wrong, it changes the answers to 1, 5 and 8. If wrong, 1 should be reduced by 1 and 8 should be 2602. If only the lower junction is stagered, 5 should be reduced by 1, if both, then 5 should be reduced by 2.
3) I assume a ford is defined as anywhere a river is printed over the road, rather than requiring the word 'Ford'. If this is wrong, 3 should be reduced by 2.
I look forward to seeing the results on this one!
Jeremy Rodgers

Re: Q10 - Do you work for a motoring organisation, or have I got the wrong route? Neil Howson

Not convinced about answer 10, unless you've just bought the RAC :) Keith Norman

Question 3 Also crossed 2 words (Ford) in 2906 & 2604 ???? If this sorts the big people out from the little people. I'am a little person. Good fun but makes you think when you haven't a clue where the finish is. Ewan Hopes

Q1 - includes SH244 at finish jcn. Q5 - 6 singles and 1 double (counting two)? Still really enjoying the fresh approach to table top rallying, but not too sure about the change of dates as I can't always get access to the net during the week, but i'll carry on regardless. Steve Turnbull

A bit unsure about whether you actually passed a phone, though I suppose it's possible to argue that you _could_ phone from any GS with a phone in it, whether you are _able_ to do so on route is different, but that's just me being pedantic with the English language Steve Brumpton

Phew!! Tough! I think this could be the end of a lot of clean sheets - particularly mine! I'm not sure I could phone *you* from a motoring organisation phone, but it's the only one I passed...I assumed the junction in 2703 is NOT a crossroads; if it is, I should have gone a longer route and I'll have RC5 wrong. Oh well, time for the next one.... Catherine Woodman

RC1 includes SH224 at TC6(in) Alan Crabtree

I have a route that matches my interpretation of the route instructions, even if this route matches the correct one I will be very interested to see how closely my answers match!
My route was fairly straight forward apart from the bit between Narfords and through Membury, firstly a very dubious .104 in 2906, then two route options but neither affecting route checks, and finally assumed that there were two junctions next to the church in 2702 rather than a Xroads (the alternative would have added an extra down arrow).
RC1 162 196 36 208 104? 71 123 257 and 224 (TC6 In)
RC2 2505
RC3 2506 2602 You wouldn't be sneaky and include the route crossing the word ford in place names such as Yartyford or Narfords would you? [No, nice idea though!]
RC4 2308 2709 2710 2005 1903
RC5 2609 2810 2603 2305 2305 2006 0206
RC10 an interestingly worded question - does it mean give a grid square passed though containing a public phone or does it mean a grid square of a public phone on the route or a grid square of any phone on the route? I've gone for the public phone on the route, unfortunately my route doesn't pass any, the only phone on my route is the motoring organisation phone in 1904 and I don't think you can make public calls from those phones. [All good stuff and a clean sheet]
My contribution to the route card availability debate, there is a third scenario to the home / work internet access - those that only have access at home but work away from home during the week and thus only have access at the weekends. How about the route cards being available on Friday (one day earlier) and answers in by Monday midnight (one day later) giving everyone two weekends at each route card.
  Dave Bell

Took ages to work out that it wasn't in and out of junctions, but it was so simple once I got it. Bit unsure about roads that turn colour in the middle, but it seems to fit, so I assume I've done it okay. Still not sure that the two whites at Yart Farm cross, but if they don't I definitely can't get it to work. Brilliant feeling once I got it though. Really enjoying it now. Matthew Atkinson

Hmmm.  Getting a little harder. [?Not for you. 10/10]  It all depends whether the junction in 2702 is a crossroads or two junctions - what are the rules on this?  Also, can you be phoned on a 'motoring organisation' phone? Mark Fearon