Internet Table-Top Rally Championship 1998
Route Card 17 - Competitors' Comments

[No Comment. first to answer, 10/10Pete James

Another good section which could be used on 12 cars - probably with a bigger map segment though! Only 'close' calls I found for the RCs are 279180 - I have treated this as crossing GL18 twice.[correct] 299 3/4 201 WYY junction - I deemed there was no crossing of GL30 - you would be cutting the corner anyway wouldn't you?? There was something rather nice about plotting this out in the garden with a cold beer the other evening .... may it continue! [OK for some while I was slaving over a hot computer checking Route Cards 18-20!] [10/10] Mark Goodman

This was more my level - plotting the route was arduous and I found several duplicate locations[?]. Great Fun though, pity I missed RC16 but I did not do too well in Fantasy World Cup anyway.  Brian Banks

RC8. I have taken the route as crossing the grid line twice at 279.5180 [right] - otherwise the answer would be 8. Sorry I've been neglecting you, but I had to organise two autotests and am currently in the process of moving house, so no time to spend on the TT. I think this will be the last one I can spare the time for, but I have enjoyed doing it. [Nice to have you back, albeit briefly] I do look each week however, to see what deviousness you've come up with next and read the comments of the others, which I expect a lot of the other disappearing competitors may be doing as well. For next year, please bear in mind that not all of us have a lot of time to spare, only a bit here and there, so any bonus points for early reply will benefit those with plenty of time over the others. [Then maybe the plot and bash method will suit them best?] Appreciated the effort you have put in this year and hope you get a better response next time. With sponsorship next year, perhaps you could send a flier round all the clubs advertising the event and its format in the hope of attracting new entrants. If you could somehow get away from the difficult reputation that the ordinary TTs have and make it more of a plotting challenge (like route card 17) you may well get a lot of people interested who have never done a TT before. [10/10Mike Biss

Don't consider that route fully crosses GL18 at GR 313180, so have ignored it in RC7. I have assumed by number of GL's crossed you mean totals, not individual numbers. If you'd wanted those you'd have said 'numbers', wouldn't you? and a larger answer sheet.
I am feeling quite clever at the moment, as I got RC17 at 10:30 this morning and had it completed by 3 p.m. [And rightly so, 10/10] Not that it was easy, but a concentrated effort with good overhead lighting and standing on my head occasionally, managed to get what I hope is a correct result.
As far as next year is concerned, I would be in favour of Format 1, all the others seem to be a bit too complicated but then I don't have the modern computer brain. I may, however, be with you, as I have been coerced into getting a computer, so may be on the Internet by then. I have no doubt that Mike in Texas will nag me into it, if only for cheap e-mail. But at the moment I am more or less computer illiterate, and while you can teach an old dog new tricks, it takes a bit longer especially as this old dog is 75. All for now. I can concentrate on my crosswords this weekend now. [My thanks again to Don for his regular words of encouragement. I do hope he gets his Internet PC, because he's been the most devoted of the postal entrants, and I would hate the non-postal events next year to have shut him out.
Don Clarke

Finally managed to get in.  Perhaps there were just too many chatty people on.  RC8 - dodgy just before clue 19 at Abbey Hill, but I reckon the route crosses GL18 twice as the route turns left. [right, but your answer was still 8, not 10?] I was trying to send this answer last Friday at between midnight and 1am, but kept getting chucked out with a "carrier" problem. The message to accompany it went as follows:  "Il faut faire cette route tres vite, parce-que nous allons a Paris a cinq heures au matin vendredi!" (I didn`t want to waste all that good French, having gone to all the trouble of writing it!!)   Alan Crabtree

Although I have not responded to the last few route cards due to other commitments - I actually have a route card I think I can do!! Saying that I probably have the answers wrong!! but what have I got to lose...NB. Although it does not ask for it I have listed the grid lines
in the order of visitation and given the number of grid lines crossed. 
Steve Waggett

This one seemed easier but I enjoyed it very much.   John Evans

I found this route card easy - hope I have it all correct [Yes Sir, 10/10Ted Manktelow

RC8 - Answer is 10 if you take route to double cross [yes] GL18 at MR 279180. If not taken as this my answer would have been 8.  [welcome back after a long absence] Stuart Martingale

General - I assume you mean number of grid line *crossings* rather than the number of separate *lines* crossed - I seem to remember asking this before! Route check 7 - It looks debatable whether the yellow crosses GL 18 twice more before it joins the A-road in 3118; if you stick to the left hand side you don't hence I've given the answer 17. If it *does* cross again, the answer would be 19. This seems about the most debatable point on the route. Route check 8 - I crossed the 18 Grid line twice at the
white-yellow T-junction at 279180. Route check 9 - I make it that the white-yellow junction at 299+201 doesn't take you over the 30 grid line; also the junction at 300196 does not take you back over the
30 grid line. Liked this route card, enjoy looking for bits on the map like this - a little bit like the Topographia Scatter! Hope it's right, didn't have long to look at this one. [10/10
Ian Buxton

Back from hols now. Pity I couldn't manage a 10 on RC16 after going to the trouble of sending it in all the way from Switzerland, oh well...I liked RC17, no brain ache! Quite a few tricky shortest routes though, so might still not get the magic 120....[but you have!] One close call on the actual answers: 9) I've only counted 1 crossing of GL 30, it 'could' be argued that it also crosses another 2 or 4 times above and below the obvious one...I've assumed you can't reuse the 'crossroads' at 309158, using your definition, as we used it on the previous RC. This gives a long route between 16 and 18..Does this mean we're getting all 20... ['fraid so] I was pleasantly surprised to see this one! [10/10
And some comments about the 1999 proposals
Your ideas for next years championship sound excellent. I like your plot and bash idea, but I would suggest the enhancement that when you log in (except the first time, or after you've sumbitted a set
of answers), you get the option to either review the last RC or submit answers. This allows for such events as crashing computers, printer failure, loss of clues etc. Also, it would be helpful if you could go back to old RCs once finished, in case you need to replot...I also like the idea of varying the format between the different events. You are bound to get a gradual drop off over the course of the 4 rounds, so the more variety to keep up interest the better. [
Good stuff, all noted] If you need help with the setting of RCs I might be willing to help. Depends on other constraints on my time, but it would be fun to have a go. I'm not very experienced with TT rallies, [I think maybe your fellow competitors might disagree!] so I may not be the best qualified, but I suppose after this event, numerous RRs and maybe some of the events in the 98/99 TT championship, I should have clocked up a bit of experience.... I'd quite like to compete as well, so maybe I could help out in one of the 4 rounds. [Will all readers bear witness to this rash commitment! That's one I don't have to organise next year :-)]
Jeremy Rodgers

Liked this one, though the pictures were rather difficult to find, and the route was a little tortuous once you'd found the points. Excellent!  Matthew Atkinson

No comments needed apart from one small question with regards to question 6. GR 230 1675ish does the left hand edge of the Brown road (B3170) cross gird line 23 for a second and third time after plot 14. If you deemed it had I would have to change my answer from 10 to 12. [10/10] Ewan Hopes

That seemed OK - though I've probably messed up some of the shortest routes. [No, 10/10Mark Fearon

Searching! I located the pictures but whether I got to 'em the right way I've no idea! Keep up the good work! Next one may be at risk! I'm away Wednesday to saturday but I'll try.  Carol Moulton